By Dementist Ebony (Darkness) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:28 pm:

I am ashamed of the Chainer entry in the continuity! Chainer is my fav. MTG characetr, my idol (don't critize me, people) and a great member of Dominarian histroy. He desreves a great memory, so I'll give him one. My computer's freezing up, but when I come back, I'm writing the best damn Chainer entry this plane has ever seen!

By Squeeman on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:13 pm:

How is that entry inadequate? It is factually complete, well-written, and not in the least shameful.

Furthermore, you are greatly insulting the author of the entry by posting this message with such strong and offensive language.

No one disagrees with you that Chainer is a very important figure in Dominaria, and almost everyone who read Chainer's Torment found it an excellent book. Chainer, himself, is generally hailed as one of the deepest characters in the cycle. But you show tremendous gall in just bashing a decent entry like that. Not only do you blatantly insult the author, but you don't offer ANY justification for your claims.

We have certain procedures here. First of all, you don't just blurt out that you're "ashamed" of someone's work. Did Nemesis claim that the holocaust was justified? No, he wrote an entry. Watch your language.

Second, when you find an entry to be questionable, you explain what flaws you found with it. You do so in language that is constructive, polite, and supportive. Furthermore, the person who originally wrote the entry, assuming he/she still posts or watches the forums, is the one who is entitled to make the change, assuming that these are changes that he/she is willing to incorporate into his/her work. The entry will NOT be competely rewritten unless the original author, AND Matthew Manley feel like it is worth doing.

Third, you don't assume that you can tell the webmaster and mods what to do. This is how it works:

a) Person proposes to write an entry
b) Person sends rough draft of entry to eid
c) Eid reviews rough draft and decides whether it is any good, whether some editing needs to be done, or whether it is absolute dreck.
d) If the entry is crap, it doesn't make it to the site. If it needs to be changed, the person changes it, sends it back to eid, and maybe gets an approval
e) Eventually, the entry will be put online, although not necessarily in the near future (due to the webmaster's time being packed)

Fourth, you bring this up in the Sixth Sphere, where all storyline-related conversations (including entries) are discussed. You've been here almost a month now, and you're still clueless about where to post what.

So don't insult people and somehow expect that we'll all rally to your side- especially when the work you're insulting is already good enough.

By King of Dragons (Trogdor) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:15 pm:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, I is so so sorry Ebony, but none can stand up against the all mighty EID! DUN DUN DUN
No but seriously, dont be criticizing other people larger and more powerful than you, especially if they can throw boulders at you.
And Eid's writing skillz is probably the best here, except for maybe squeeman or nemesis.

By Squeeman on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:19 pm:

Um, thanks? I haven't really demonstrated my writing skills here. They aren't that great.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 07:25 pm:

For your information, Ebony, I put a good amount of time and effort into that entry. Everyone else who has mentioned it has praised it, including Scott McGough, the writer of Chainer's Torment. Here is the original thread: http://www.phyrexia.com/forum/messages/11/4726.html?

It would help if you told me what exactly is wrong with it. If it gets taken down, I will be very angry. I put a lot of hard work into that entry.

By King of Dragons (Trogdor) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 09:42 pm:

Nemesis dont worry, thats a work of art! It's not like one person's word against like 10 peoples words is enough to take it down.

By Squeeman on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 10:01 pm:

Oh, Nemesis isn't worried. There's no way that Eid will agree with Darkness. This entire thread may be deleted for its sheer audacity. It's really quite rude.

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 10:41 pm:

I'm actually going to let this thread live on the basis that it may serve as a guiding sign to posters that would express similar views.

Ebony. Let me be frank. There is nothing wrong with the entry. Even if it WERE written horribly, it contains no major grammatical errors and contains every bit of continuity associated with Chainer that has been written down. As Nemesis said, the author of Chainer's Torment, Scott McGough, commended Nemesis on the entry. I'd be very more inclined to agree with McGough's approval than that of someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

In addition to insulting the author, you insult me. I've checked over that entry and gave final go-ahead to the Webmaster after confirming that it contained no major grammatical errors and was in agreement with the novels Odyssey and Chainer's Torment. Saying it's bad without giving a reason why insults the author and myself.

Also, please feel free to do a Chainer entry. Do the very best one you possibly can. Unfortunately, we already have a Chainer entry that appears perfectly fine to me. As such, your entry will not be a part of this site.

By Greven (Evercursed) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 02:32 am:

::Sniff::
Nobody ever mentions me...

By Lim-Dûl (Karonasservant) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:20 am:

I have a BRILLIANT idea.

Ebony, you do a Chainer entry in the sixth sphere, and we'll comment on it and check for everything. Spelling, Grammar and accuracy.

Eid, can we do this please? And btw, theres nothing wrong with the Chainer entry up. Infact it helped me understand Chainer better as a character.

By Dementist Ebony (Darkness) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

Nemesis, I am very sorry if you were offended. I'm just saying Chainer can have a bigger, better, more jam-packed entry. I have read Chainers Torment 6 or 7 times, maybe more. I also flip through it regularly for dementia ideas.

I'll start then, shall I?

Where to begin..

Chainer: Chainer was a young Cabalist who delved to deep in power and succumbed to the Mirari's power. When he was young, he was raised and trained by a blind, retired pit fighter named Minat. Minat taught Chainer how to use a chain as a weapon, showed him the basics of pit fighting, explained the Cabal to the boy, and taught him a dangerous spell known as the Death Bloom.

Chainer grew up and joined the Cabal. One day wghile walking outside the great Cabal City during his break in duties, he felt an unfealable sensation, heard an unhearable sound, knew an unknowable thought. All this led him to a burned out house. He journeyed into it and found a sphere floating above the ground by the charred corpses of a family. He knew the sphere was the source of the summoning, so he immediately packed it up for the First, patriarch of the cabal.

He set out for Cabal city. He was stopped by a rder patrol, who demeanded he stop and relinquish his items.

...to be continued...

By The Csar Bomba (Maraxus) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 08:09 pm:

Nope, still like nemesis' verson better. It explained his childhood more indepth.

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 12:47 am:

Greven, don't feel bad. Your entries are very good and I hope to see more of them in the future.

Karona, I have no problem with that. But there will be no further Chainer entries to the continuity section, as we already have one. I'm not going to ask the webmaster to replace one with the other--even if Darkness's was a masterpiece.

Darkness - In three paragraphs, you managed about four run-on sentences, no independant clauses, and a number of very large grammatical errors--particularly in capitalization. In short, no.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 09:20 am:

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I'm just saying Chainer can have a bigger, better, more jam-packed entry.

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The games finally came. People from all over Otaria came to SMASH each others' SKULLS in for the artifact. However, Chainer had other plans. With a loud SHAZAM!!!! he cast some CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY NIGHTMARE MAGIC! which sealed all the doors out of the arena, trapping thousands inside with his SUPER SCARY dementia MONSTERS!!!!!. CHAOS ERUPTED!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!1!11111!!!111!!

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By Lim-Dûl (Karonasservant) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 11:13 am:

Yep, i prefere Nemesis' version.

And Eid, i had no intention of replacing Nemesis' one, since i don't like Darkness anyways,

Nemesis, I LOVE THAT ENTRY! (cough joke cough)

By Squeeman on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 11:14 am:

Rofl, I am liking this idea more an more. Can you put little sound effects with those, Nemesis?

By Jared_Carthalion (Cheesemaster) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 11:24 am:

looks like sketches for scourge cards.

since when does nemesis work for R&D?

By Greven (Evercursed) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 08:51 pm:

Since he took over the storyline department a few months ago in a coup.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 09:22 pm:

sure, it will be like the old Batman show...with POW! and BAM! and KER-SPLAT! and all...

By Jared_Carthalion (Cheesemaster) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 07:59 am:

honestly, that series was so cool.

I peed my pants of laughing. (or because i was too young)

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:20 am:

That show was amazing. Modern attempts at being corny in a Batman production have never even come close.

By Dementist Ebony (Darkness) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:45 am:

Should I continue or not?

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 10:42 am:

Nobody's stopping you. It just won't go on the site.

When you finish, the Sixth Sphere would probably be the place where it makes most sense to post it.

By Nore (Norethereal) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 02:50 pm:

I'm gone for a week and a half, and Darkness manages to get 2 mods and about 5 members pissed off.

I'm back, guys. What did I miss?

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 03:07 pm:

Well, let's see: Ebony has been making everyone angry...and I posted the first chapter of a novel I've been writing in the 5th sphere...you should check it out.

By Nore (Norethereal) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 04:51 pm:

Later, Nemesis.

So Darkness is trying to beat your entry? This I have to see.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 07:43 pm:

Yep, I guess he is.

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:03 pm:

Nemesis, that was most amusing.

Also, the Batman animated series was great. The one on Fox, before it became diluted by Time/Warner/AOL/DC/Bob's-Hot-Dog-Stand.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:06 pm:

Yep, Batman: the Animated Series? I used to watch that like it was my job. At that young age, I guess it was.

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:10 pm:

Yes, that one. I seem to remember the first season was out on DVD. Probably hard to find now, though.

While we're on the pseudo-topic, JG should be interested in knowing the first season of the old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon is now out on DVD. I saw it at a Wal-Mart for $10, but didn't buy it for some reason.

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:10 pm:

The Batman: Mask of the Phantasm movie from the animated series was highly underrated. I liked the animated series. I don't know anything about Fox or Time/Warner/whatever.

By Aires (Aires) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:11 pm:

-Ignore it.

-Nemesis, your entry is great. We are very proud about it. Don´t listem to him.

-Chainer is a great character in my opinion too - one of the bests from the new stories.

-Legend-

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:11 pm:

What? Wal-Mart? I know of a Wal-Mart somewhere within an hour of where I live! YES!

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:16 pm:

Mask of the Phantasm was great. And Squeeman, there's a Wal-Mart within an hour of EVERYONE.

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

Man, if I knew that when I lived in Kathmandu, life would have been so much fuller.

Well, fuller of cheap junk, anyway. But, really, who can live without that?

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:22 pm:

I still long for the inevitable confrontation between uber-corporations Wal-Mart and Microsoft. Society as we know it will cease to be.

By Squeeman on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:32 pm:

Hmm. Tough one. Microsoft could threaten to have all of Wal-Mart's computers stop working. But then Wal-Mart could threaten to recall all of the cheap useless junk that the Microsoft employees own, and ruin their lives.

By Living Plague (Xdritex) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:28 am:

Ahh, but the Microsoft people's could just download themselves into robots that they build, and thus be able to freely play aorund on teh net doing whatever they want and have no need for Wal-Mart to supply them with stuff.

And Eid, I'm thuroughly dissapointed in you. You saw that sitting there on the shelf for $10, and you didn't buy it! That is just a disgraceful action. You should know better than to do that. Less of course if you already own it.

By eidtelnvil on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 05:29 pm:

Dritex, I'm reasonably sure I was drunk at the time. Whenever I go to Wal-Mart, alcohol is usually a factor.

The problem with Microsoft vs. Wal-Mart is that both corporations probably own everything the other doesn't. Sort of like the whole AOL/Time/Warner/DC/Probably-Twenty-Other-Corporations. So if Microsoft and Wal-Mart every got into a battle, it would involve Boeing, Ford, Randy's Car Parts, and probably thousands of other companies.

By Dementist Ebony (Darkness) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 06:21 pm:

This has gone off course, I've pissed off enough people...

I'll just do a Laquatus entry later. He was important...

By Greven (Evercursed) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 02:39 am:

Hmmph. Seeing from your previous attempted Chainer entry, you need to make your entries click, like the kind that attracts your attention the first time you read it. Eid has this skill in plenty, as do Nemesis and Squeeman. Try reading some of their entries for a good idea on how to do it.

By Lim-Dûl (Karonasservant) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:00 am:

I wrote an entry on Sarpadia (which of course, being me has several grammar and spelling mistakes.)
Does anyone want to see it? (Eid i know has seen it.)

By Living Plague (Xdritex) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:13 am:

Well, ohkay Eid, that's partially forgiveable...you still should have been overly enjoyed to find it, and carried it around eth store with ou till you dropped it and forgot.

By Dementist Ebony (Darkness) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 06:23 pm:

Back to the Batman thing, Green Lantern can kick Batman's ass from here to Mercadia.

By Nemesis (Nemesis) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

He could, but I think Batman would be able to out think him and beat him in that manner.

By Squeeman on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 08:01 pm:

Also, Batman is invincible by default anyway.

By The Csar Bomba (Maraxus) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:09 pm:

pesh, the punisher could kick both their asses.

By Ineffable's Son (Eidtelnvil) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 01:35 am:

Dritex, it's entirely possible that I did just that.

Batman would destroy Green Lantern. And two months ago Batman destroyed Punisher. Batman is teh l33t.

By Living Plague (Xdritex) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 02:24 am:

Well...even though I'm not a batman all teh way fan...there is the point that he is able to beat the crap outta Superman.

You fully pro-Batman peoples should be suing that in there somewhere.

By King of Dragons (Trogdor) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 05:28 pm:

Well techinally, no one except for Dark Side (the Apocolypse version in DC from marvel)can kick superman's ass. Not unless they have some kryptonite, which i know that batman does have. I remember in an batman beyond episode once where batman gives a small piece of krpytonite that he uses to subdue superman. Crazy crazy episode.