By Nemesis on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:00 pm:

OK, does anyone else think that the only reason Kamahl was able to beat Laquatus was because they fought in the middle of the woods and Kamahl was able to use it to his advantage?

#1) Kamahl was able to use the trees to look down a the battle and see Laquatus throw his knife and move out of the to prevent it from causing any serious damage. (Although he still got hit)
#2) Kamahl is able to use vines to defeat Laquatus's men, bind his wounds inflicted by Laquatus, and attempt to stop Laquatus from getting the sword. And he is actually more powerful with these vines than Laquatus with his spell.

So what do you guys think? If the scenery had changed, would the outcome have changed as well?

By Lord Windgrace on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:17 pm:

Sure Kamahl is "high and mighty" but if the scenery had changed he whould have been wurm chow. Then again there are is seaweed so ya never know.

By Apprentice (Apprentice) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:18 pm:

Magic, I believe does not revolve around circumstances. It is all fate. Is it simple chance that Urza and Mishra shattered the powerstone? Is it totally random that he was granted 'Walkerhood? Was it pure chance that Gerrard fell, meeting the Oracle, The Lord of Leaves, And uniting the tribes to one? I think not. Its fate, or the hand of a god.

-Apprentice

By Nemesis on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:30 pm:

no, they couldnt have fought under water, or Laquatus would have been able to use it to his advantage. Now if they had done it on a plain, would it have been different?

Let's just leave fate out of it for now.

By Nemesis on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:31 pm:

fate is simply a term invented to make randomness seem more explainable. I doubt its actually real.

By Apprentice (Apprentice) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:40 pm:

So it must be the hand of a god.

-Apprentice

By Lord Windgrace on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:48 pm:

Nemesis, if they were under water Kamahl would be able to use the seaweed to hold Laquatus down and stab him to death with a rock or a shell or something of the like. As far as fate goes I'm Wiccan so I believe that before we go on to a next life that we already plan out our lives.

By Apprentice (Apprentice) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:57 pm:

So its niether, its our incarnations.

-Apprentice

By JG the Walker (Jestergoblin) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:12 pm:

They should have done it fair and square in one of the Cabal Pits...

By Lord Windgrace on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:25 pm:

Like they would follow pit rules when they dont have to I mean its Krosan Forest they would not fight by pit rules in the middle of a forest what are they going to do take two leaves and hang them on opposite ends of a clearing and say whoever gets the other leaf wins or whoever gives up first loses? come on you know that wouldnt happen

By Lord Windgrace on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:14 am:

forgot to add whoever is last person alive wins

By Squeeman on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:37 am:

Well, lets pretend that there is no fate and the gods were watching tv at the time.

If the battle were not in Krosa, then Kamahl would not have had the vines in the tug of war for the sword. Also, he may have been susceptible to any mind magic Laquatus might have used.

Still, they are both powerful magic users. Laquatus, I believe may have been able to wield more magical power, but Kamahl's magic was complemented by his fighting prowess. It would have been a pretty fair fight. Laquatus would have taken control of any creatures Kamahl would have summoned. However, Kamahl had an array of fire spells, and counterspelling doesn't seem like it was Laquatus' specialty. Water spells, though... It would probably have been a fair fight.

By eidtelnvil on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:32 am:

Everyone's overlooking the fact that Laquatus is a master of mind manipulation, and Kamahl isn't too big in that genre.

By . on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:12 am:

before he became "green" he was a lot stronger, albeit he could not control the power/intensity of his spells as much...

By Squeeman on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:07 am:

I didn't. I mentioned it. However, Laquatus' power revolves around careful manipulation- pulling little strings here, and snapping others there. If one is aware of this, then he or she could probably shake off the effects for at least a while.

By eidtelnvil on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:48 am:

L - "My manipulations will surely make me the victor in this battle!"
K - "Smash!"
L - "Oh, Kamahl. Suddenly, don't you feel the need to fall at my feet in worship?"
K - "Smash!"
L - "Um ... something's interefering with my mind control."
K - "Smash?"
L - "Perhaps he's just too smart for me?"
K - "Uh ... smash?"
L - "... or the opposite ..."
K - "SMASH!"
L - ::is smashed::

By Squeeman on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:24 am:

Now now, eid. Just because barbarians are stupid doesn't mean we should treat them like inferiors.

No, seriously. Laquatus never used his mental powers on a target that expected it. Everyone, from nantuko to generic manipulatable character #7827364 didn't see it coming. Even then, Laquatus liked to spend time with his prey, breaking its will and making it completely subservient. Even if he could just assume control in any creature, then that control would be shakier, and a person in a fit of rage might be more immune to it.

By Eidtelnvil (Eidtelnvil) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:22 am:

... smash?

By Squeeman on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:30 pm:

No! Bad boy!

(hits him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper)

By Apprentice (Apprentice) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:34 pm:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!! Bad Kamahl!! hahahha! omg.

-Apprentice

By Eidtelnvil (Eidtelnvil) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:56 pm:

ARGH ... SMASH! ::smashes Squeeman, then proceeds to conjure Fire Elementals and Firecats, and anything else starting with fire to go on a rampage::

By Squeeman on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:14 am:

:: ducks, gets a fire hose, and casts Douse

:: casts Aluren, just for the hell of it (and to finally see the kidney and the spleeney)

:: billions of Mons' Goblin Raiders swarm from Squeeman's hand, and a Llanowar elf, and a Timmy, Powergamer

:: summons an Infernal Spawn of Evil

Its coming!

By eidtelnvil on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 12:37 pm:

Kamahl - Uh oh! ::watches as his fire beings are destroyed:: ... hrm ... SMASH! ::single-handed destroys several creatures he should not be able to touch:: ... urr ... smash?

By KillTheVec on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:20 pm:

KillTheVec casts Obliterate.

Death to all.

Now, let's begin the Onslaught Cycle, please.

By Nemesis on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:54 pm:

Nemesis casts Y@wgmoths Will and Shaman's Trance and plays everyone's stuff from their graveyards.

mwahahahahaha

By Squeeman on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:44 pm:

Squeeman casts blink on himself as an instant durng Obliterate.

::casts Atogatog, atog, necratog, chronatog, foratog, auratog, psychatog, thaumatog, sarcatog, and Demented Hermit.

By KillTheVecAndBuyAssortedMerchandiseFromTheFilm on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:36 pm:

KillTheVec summons General Jarkeld.

KJELDOR FOR LIFE!

By Eidtelnvil (Eidtelnvil) on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:50 am:

Kamahl looks around stupidly, then, just before the Obliteration wave hits him, switches colors from to green. Everyone is so confused (or doesn't really care) that Kamahl slips by unharmed and continues to SMASH!

By Squeeman on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:58 am:

Squeeman summons General Jarkeld, which promptly dies.

By Nemesis on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:36 am:

Nemesis grins wickedly and casts perish.

By Squeeman on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:07 pm:

Squeeman uses all his spikes before its too late. Then burps.

By KillTheVecNowComesWithAFreePosterOfGeneralJarkeldAndTheE-StreetBand on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:14 pm:

KillTheVec returns General Jarkeld to his hand, but not before he has Jinx-ed Volrath's Stronghold into a plains.

I shall draw a card at the beggining of next turn's upkeep.

By Nemesis on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:21 pm:

Nemesis plays about ten thousand gray ogres, pearled unicorns, and scathe zombies.

By KillTheVecNow30%Gd on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:34 pm:

KillTheVec draws a card and plays Pyroclasm.

After that, General Jarkeld comes into play with an Armadillo Cloak.

By Squeeman on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:38 am:

Squeeman casts Congregate ten times then casts Wrath of God and Armageddon (having prepared necessary counterspells just in case).

All creatures and lands go bye bye.

Casts Obliterate just for good measure.

By Squeeman on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:41 am:

Squeeman casts Congregate ten times then casts Wrath of God and Armageddon (having prepared necessary counterspells just in case).

All creatures and lands go bye bye.

Casts Obliterate just for good measure.

By KillTheVecBecauseYourSisterIsDef on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:56 pm:

Sacrifices General Jarkeld to Ashnod's Altar and uses some mana to cast Living Death!

By Nemesis on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:40 pm:

calls a DCI judge on Squeeman for having ten Congregates in his deck. And bribes him just in case he decides to call me on my ten thousand gray ogres, pearled unicorns, and scathe zombies.

By Squeeman on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:43 pm:

Squeeman smiles smugly (he has already bribed the judge, who somehow let him cast Armageddon and then Obliterate twice in a row).

By KillTheVecNowAtANewTimeOnlyOnMTV4 on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:55 pm:

I play Maze of Ith and Marton Stromgald.

KJELDOR FOR LIFE!

By Squeeman on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:44 pm:

Squeeman summons several Kjeldoran Dead.

By KillTheVec:JustDoIt on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 04:45 pm:

KillTheVec casts Titania's Boon on his warriors, then promptly brings about a tremor, bringing the Kjeldoran dead to the second death because Squeeman has no lands thanks to my Catastrophe.

By Squeeman on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 06:48 pm:

By rights, no one should have lands thanks to my Armageddons and Obliterates.

Casts Upheaval as an interrupt.

By Nemesis on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:33 pm:

summons several Raging Goblins, and attacks everyone.

Then activates his Sorrow's Path.

By tefgara on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:35 pm:

casts a persuassion on Nemesis' Path.

Casts Piracy [ ever seen that Starter card? that thing is BAH-ROKEN ]

Casts new frontiers.

Casts something untapping everything.

Casts morality shift.

Casts replenish.

Has 2 opalesence + a humility in play.

Developes headache.....

Anyone know what happens there?

By tefgara on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:35 pm:

casts a persuassion on Nemesis' Path.

Casts Piracy [ ever seen that Starter card? that thing is BAH-ROKEN ]

Casts new frontiers.

Casts something untapping everything.

Casts morality shift.

Casts replenish.

Has 2 opalesence + a humility in play.

Developes headache.....

Anyone know what happens there?

By KillTheVec on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:45 pm:

...

i cast Obliterate, then summon General Jarkeld and give him sinister strength and use purelace on him.

By Squeeman on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:02 am:

I unsummon myself, returning myself to my hand.

I cast myself.

By tefgara on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:25 am:

I counter squeeman

By KillTheVec on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:43 pm:

I spelljack Squeeman, only to keep him removed from the game.

I attack for 4 with Jarkeld. Wait... who am i attacking?

By Squeeman on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:43 am:

I Red Elemental blast the counterspell, and Dissipate the Spelljack.

Attack Kamahl. No one has noticed him in a while. Or tefgara. I am getting bad vibes from his direction. Or yourself. Either way, I'll block with a Simian Grunt.

By KillTheVecAndGetAFreeSpinalGraft on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:13 pm:

but your still in your hand. how can u you do that if your in your han... oh. thats disgusting, Squeeman. I blue elemental blast the dissipate.

General Jarkeld has just gotten intant Tiger Claws and a flaming sword. He attacks Kamahl.

By Squeeman on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:39 pm:

One word: clone (3U). Do you think I keep those guys out in the open where they coul get hurt?

Red elemental blast the blue elemental blast (readying several quashes).

By Nemesis on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:51 pm:

Nemesis reveals that he is, as Eid suspected all along, actually Volrath.

Volrath/Nemesis discards a Hypnox and looks around for someone to attack.

By KillTheVecAnd...OhKillThemALL! on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:18 pm:

I Obliterate once more

After the dust settles, i summon General Jarkeld and give him an Exoskeletal Armor.

By Nemesis on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:13 pm:

Nemesis/Volrath Ertai's Meddlings the Obliterate for an infinite amount of turns.

Then casts Meddling Mage, naming Obliterate.

Then casts Diplomatic Immunity on the Mage

By eidtelnvil on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:49 pm:

I don't want to say that I told you so, but I really did. Maybe next time you'll believe me. Nemesis is really Volrath. In fact, I'd estimate that 2 out of 3 of the people that have ever posted in the DC were Volrath. The only person I'm sure isn't Volrath is me, because Volrath used by be a blade of grass growing in front yard. As for everyone else, you're probably Volrath and don't even know it.

By Squeeman on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 01:25 am:

coughI'mnotVolrathcough

I'm not! I even have an I'm not Volrath t-shirt.

(MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

By Nemesis on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:46 am:

NO!!!!!!!

There's only ONE Volrath, and that's me!!!

By Squeeman on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:30 pm:

So you think (in a Dart Vader voice).

By Nemesis on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:25 pm:

ONE shall be the number of Volraths and the number of Volraths shall be ONE. There shall not be TWO Volraths. THREE is right out.

By Lord Windgrace on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:45 am:

Squeeman its Darth not Dart

By Squeeman on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:12 am:

Damn it man! I'm speaking like Dart Vader! Live with it!

By Lord Windgrace on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:42 am:

hahahaha ok

By tefgara on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:07 pm:

I think dart vader has a pinch, nasally voice.... either that, or Dr. Evil like. either way....

Tefgara = Volrath? I don't think so...... pretty sure...... nope, timeline shows that i was safely phased out when Volrath started doing things, and I have the Medical records to show it........

Though, eid: look out behind you. there's a suspicious bush with the letters V...O...L...R...I...T...H... in the underbrush. maybe it's hiding something?

By Squeeman on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:52 pm:

Dart Vader has a hillbilly redneck voice, so strong that even his friends and partners (sister included) can't understand a word he says.

Luckily, though, I'm Volrath speaking like ol' Dartie, not dart himself. Where was I... Oh yes.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By Jimmy on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:09 pm:

It's not by the hand of god, by the hand of the poor writers living out of they're 1 bedroom apartment, ol' pizza crusts lying on the floor, waiting for a 87$ paycheck from wizards.

Anyways...

By Nemesis on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 07:45 pm:

NO! This thread must NOT be revived!!!!

Must stop it....

By Bwm (Bwm) on Friday, October 04, 2002 - 10:19 am:

ask Eid to remove the Add-a-Message-box...

In that case only mods can go on with the conversation...