By ApocalypsePrime (Jestergoblin) on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 10:38 pm:

Is your mind BLOWN? Mine is. I haven't bought a card since Legions and I have no idea what good burn spells have come out since then. I am getting back into magic and want to update my Type 1 (no power around me) deck.

Only catch, the card MUST be black bordered.

Lands
15 Mountains
3 Barbarian Rings

Creatures
4 Ball Lightnings

Artifacts
4 Cursed Scrolls

Spells
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Shock
4 Incinerate
4 Chain of Plasma
4 Chain Lightning
4 Seal of Fire
4 Fireblast
3 Skullscorch
3 Browbeat

So, whats good now a days?

By Bwm Wil Mindctrl (Bwm) on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 04:40 am:

Lightning Rift? (from Nemesis or some name related to it)

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 06:10 am:

Hm, Strip Mine has always been good ;)

Skullscorch, however, was never any good ...

I also think that Browbeat has no place here. Not coupled with Cursed Scrolls anyways. And don't add Browbeats until you have a Wheel of Fortune first ...

Speaking of the Scrolls, do you really think they mix up well with the Fireblasts and the Barbarian Rings, especially since you are running a total of just 18 lands!?

By Bwm Wil Mindctrl (Bwm) on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 09:12 am:

Trust me Puschkin, they'll mix nicely... I've been known to run Cursed Scroll in decks with as low as 13 lands (excluding the single mox) and never really had a problem with them...

Besides, if you want to scroll the opponent to death, you can easily wait till you've got enough mana first, you'll try other things first anyways

By ApocalypsePrime (Jestergoblin) on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:43 pm:

So there haven't been ANY good burn spells since I quit playing?

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 05:06 am:

BWM:
Does that mean your opponents don't have Strips/Wastes? It just sounds odd to me.

JG:
I cannot say for sure but generally they stopped printing good burn, there will be no new Lighting Bolts anymore, just new Shocks so to speak. IF a new burner is good enough to compeat with the ones you have, then its only good in the block because it abuses block mechanics.

By Bwm Wil Mindctrl (Bwm) on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 03:59 am:

Magma Jet is reasonable... But I seem to remember it was mentioned already...

I'd run Mogg Fanatics if I were me...

Puschkin, in a good burndeck, the opponent is too busy dieing to care about your mana-count. Generally, they'll even laugh at you for having 3 mana out, since you're obviously mana-flooded... The single strip mine doesn't do enough...

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 08:24 am:

You are talking about good burn in powered environments while he is talking about non-powered random environments.

By Bwm Wil Mindctrl (Bwm) on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 10:52 am:

edited my last post

By ApocalypsePrime (Jestergoblin) on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:23 pm:

Fanatics are too slow for my preferences. Plus, I dislike creatures.

As for strip mine, it doesn't add red mana and I can't afford to play a non-red land.

I am considering the fetch lands from Onslaught to thin the deck out, but I think that may be too slow as well.

As for browbeats, 5 damage for 3 mana is decent. Its for the mid-game because no one is foolish enough to let my draw 3 card, which will usually allow me to net 6 to 10 damage.

Skullscorch isn't great, I know that and I want to replace them. However, in a deck where if my opponent isn't dead by turn 6, I am, I need to be able to shut them down fast.

Maybe I'll just go back to having 4 Fire/Ice and four FOW...

I agree that the Wheel of Fortune is needed. I will switch one in shortly.

And the scrolls work fine, I use them to get around pro-red.

By wicked darkman on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 03:27 am:

JESTERGOBLIN:
Try these:

Lava spike (players only)
glacial ray (only with lavaspike in deck)
violent eruption (If you play with many lands)
mana clash (statistical damage is above 2.??)
flamebreak (Really good)
lava dart (a must in sideboard)
landslide (play with only 1 of these)

Lose the browbeat, I have explained in so many posts why it should be removed... It robs you of a turn where you might have played a killing card instead. And the cards you draw will likely be land.

By wicked darkman on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 10:55 am:

JESTERGOBLIN: Believe me the fetch is REALLY important in burn if you want ultimate speed.
Think of it like this. In a way you draw two landcards out of your deck (the fetcher and the fetched) increasing the odds of drawing more burn. It is however extremely dangerous because you may end up eroding your landbase. This would need a special manacurve... I actually tested fetch in a construction-method I think I have already posted here. without fetch the amount of lands were 22, then using the same method but including fetch the "same" deck now needed 25 lands!!! This deck was not based on burnspells and was suffering from the fetch instead of being improved...