By Evincar (Nightmare) on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 04:12 pm:

Yes, I'm back from a long retirement proper. I should really get back into the habit of posting here more often.

Anyways new deck. Type Screw, Casual, blah blah blah.

I hope that is enough information for Monsiuers Puschkin, Psycho, Apprentice and WD.


I have to admit, the deck is not complete. Mainly because I'm actually stuck on ideas...


Creatures -

2 Detritivore
3 Aeon Chronicaler
3 Jhoria of the Ghitu
3 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
? Greater Gargadon?
? Deep Sea Kraken?

Stuffs -

3 Boom//Bust
4 Rune Snag
4 Izzet Signets

Lands -
0 Steam Vents.
0 Shivan Reefs (I am in no way in hell ever going to get my hands on Steam Vents or Shivan Reefs. Yes, that sucks.)

Mainly working on the Jhoria theme. But I can't think of anything other cards for now. And if I should run the Kraken and Gargadon.

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 04:23 pm:

No, it's not enough, I don't know what the deck wants to do and can't even find Jhoria in my database. If that card is from the newest sets, please post at least what it does so we have a chance to figure out what your deck is supposed to do. (Then, since it's Type 2, I won't be able to help either but thats another story)

By Evincar (Nightmare) on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 11:48 am:

Sorry. >_>

Basically: 1RU
Legendary - Human Wizard
2: Remove a card from your hand from the game. Put 4 time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend.
2/2

The whole point is suspending things. The Aeon Chronicler lets me draws more Cards, the Detrivore destroys lands. Also when playing Boom/Bust, i can suspend all cards in my hand before playing it. Thereby allowing me to bypass any mana I might need.

Jhoira also allows Deep Sea Kraken and Greater Gargadon to be played earlier.

By Wicked Darkman (Wickeddarkman) on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 04:55 am:

See? Information wants to be manifold. you can never have enough of it!

As I see it current decks in most formats have evolved into a future where they are extremelly dependant on a mix of land and artifact mana. Also more and more decks are using a minimum of these and attempt to fetch lands out of the deck to remove lands when the initial manabase is set.

I would like to see decks using land/arti destruction in a combination. Early threats can be dealt with by beb or dead//gone. Try to use cards like raze and shattering spree. Use æther vial for your big ones and have something that can get it back from your graveyard. Perhaps Reconstruction or other ancient cards!

You may need to consider the coldsnap 2RR recover spell that can be reused.

As for the suspend it mixes well with aether vial because if you get the big critters lategame the vial will be big.

You need to get one cheap suspended or vial into play, then control/destroy the rest of the game until time changes pace.

Try to think out of the box. Suspend is a really tricky concept, that I currently have no means to compute on because they need "Real" play to be tested. Go wild on the ammounts of mana, counter and everything. Use mixes that you would never dream of using normally. Really play with the elements of the whole deck concept because Suspend may be unexpectedly good.

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 06:54 am:

Hm, but if goes landdestruction/mana denial, whats the point in suspending this then? If you delay the opponent long enough, you will have more mana yourself to hard-cast big-guns. I don't see those two concepts working together.

Jhoria can suspend any card in your hand with exactly 4 time counters on it. So, much like he said, you obviously want to use some very powerful spells where you do not have to care about the casting cost at all. But I think I would not rely on creatures regarding this. There is too much creature removal out there and of all card types, creatures are by far the esiest to bypass the casting cost (I mean with that that you could always use something else and more reliably, from graveyard animation to Quicksilver Amulet type of cards up to fancy new block mechanics). And IF you are going to use phat creatures with Jhoria, make sure that you choose among those that have haste.

So I think that the key to success playing Jhoria is more about the other card types where bypassing the casting cost isn't easy. While there are extremely expensive artifacts you could use, they are the second-easiest to destroy. Enchantments traditionally do not pass the 6 mana benchmark. That doesn#t mean that they can't be powerful, but at six mana you could as well use a one-time mana booster instead of Jhoria to put it into play.

So I'd say we are looking for the most powerful sorceries and instants out there. This is where you are on your own because I can't be bothered looking up all the new Type II legal stuff. When you found some candidates we can go further because the rest of the deck will of course depend heavily on the effect that your bomb will have.

But no matter what it will be: Make sure that you add a 4th copy of Jhoria since its the most important card of the deck that dies easily because it's a 2/2 body. Also, you probably won't play it until you have 5 mana so that you can use it at least once if it gets nuked. That means you need some sort of "free" counterspell and since I doubt that anything FoW-like stuff is printed meanwhile that'll probably mean you should look more for Misdirectionesque thingies.

By Evincar (Nightmare) on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 06:10 pm:

Well I could use Pact of Negation. =/ Which is a free counterspell printed in FS.

And Aeon Chronicler draws me extra cards while suspended. Hm....

This is partly why I chose Boom/Bust. Suspend everything, then use Bust the arena destroying all lands in play. Then everything enters play for me pratically free.

and WD, Aether Vial and half those cards aren't Type II legal. =P


But yea. Sorceries and Instants I should check up on. Thanks.

By Wicked Darkman (Wickeddarkman) on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 04:17 am:

Huh??? This was for type II? Hmm. I must rethink it all then!

PUSCHKIN: I was not including "jhoira" Don't know the card yet. I am also a bussy man.

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 05:25 am:

Well, he didn't say much about what the deck should do but he DID say this in his initial post:

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Mainly working on the Jhoria theme.

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By Homelands Bookie (Psycho) on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 10:42 am:

Learning to type is quite useful too. (Jhoria???)

No time to comment, I am performing a Diels-Alder reaction with Nickelocene and di-choco-ethyne.

So, I'll check it next week.

By Puschkin (Puschkin) on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 06:16 pm:

"Jhoria". Thats what he spelled it in his initial post. I am a second-sphere-idiot and no storyline-geek, I don`t know what he/she is supposed to be spelled. But if that is the wrong spelling, then this explains why I didn't find it in th database ;)

By Evincar (Nightmare) on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 02:22 pm:

=(

By Homelands Bookie (Psycho) on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 06:07 am:

How about you clog up your deck with powerful offcolor spells that cost BBBB for a reason?

Something like Temporal Extortion, or Opportunity, or Beacon of Tomorrows, or...
Combine Storm Herd with Heroes Remembered and some Copy Spells. Oh, and play some of those timecounter eating spells, like Rift Elemental.

By Bwm Wil Mindctrl (Bwm) on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 03:03 am:

Jhoira

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By Dark Lord (Apprentice) on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 10:33 am:

When did Jhoira get so hot??